mayhemt
06-24 08:47 PM
Actually there are 2 sides to these questions.. (Of course I am also one of the EB3 aspirants.)
1. What is America losing because of our prolonged wait for Green Cards?
America would be losing on intellectual grounds. Most of the people waiting in the never-ending GC queue are ready to give up their spot, if they get good opportunities elsewhere, eg: UK, Canada, Australia, However it is not going to put a dent overall intellectual pool.
America would be gaining in terms of revenue & employment creation:
Filing fees, Attorney fees are the visible ones. The non-tangible ones being social security fund & medicare fund, Income tax, employer's insurance premiums. Most likely, the silent immigrant going back to his home country or another country is not going to ask for social security benefits/Medicare. Social Security in particular which is in desperate need of repairs greatly appreciates the immigrant going back.
The wait creates lot of employment in terms of immigration personnel, attorneys, USCIS systems' maintenance. Consider this: A credit card processing bank does more checks on an individual/card while processing an authorization. What if the whole immigration system has been automated (instead of today's almost fully paper-based immigration processing)? Even with automated systems in place (eg PIMS), there are massive delays. But the complete reform would hit a huge employment soft spot. How much would it take to hook up a terminal in an overseas consulate, thru which the consulate officer can check the petition validity then & there itself, accessing it from a Centralized database? Heck they should learn it from Yahoo or Google, to access systems from anywhere in the world.
2. How people who have green cards are contributing to the country as a whole ?
By contributing to income tax. A person with green card is more likely to get more opportunities than a person on H1. H1 holder is constantly nagged with endless paperwork, dependencies, expiration dates. A green card holder can switch to different companies or start his/her own business, thereby earning for himself & paying more on income tax & possible his/her business tax.
A permanent resident has already gone thru ton of checks/regulations eg: Criminal checks, medical tests. If the same tests were put thru for Americans, how many are really going to pass? Green card holders (or even H1 worker) stick to all rules, regulations, pay their bills without being a threat to American society.
On the other hand, green card holders/H1s need not sign up for defense service selection (above the age of 24). Lost American jobs is whole different ball game.
3. What if the whole green card process takes less than 3 years ?
If it takes less than 3yrs, it will certainly make lot of IVians & happy, including me. But we are not in Utopian world.
On the other hand, there will be huge influx of immigrant applications. Slowly immigration population would become large chunk in administrative areas, they may even reach Washington.
1. What is America losing because of our prolonged wait for Green Cards?
America would be losing on intellectual grounds. Most of the people waiting in the never-ending GC queue are ready to give up their spot, if they get good opportunities elsewhere, eg: UK, Canada, Australia, However it is not going to put a dent overall intellectual pool.
America would be gaining in terms of revenue & employment creation:
Filing fees, Attorney fees are the visible ones. The non-tangible ones being social security fund & medicare fund, Income tax, employer's insurance premiums. Most likely, the silent immigrant going back to his home country or another country is not going to ask for social security benefits/Medicare. Social Security in particular which is in desperate need of repairs greatly appreciates the immigrant going back.
The wait creates lot of employment in terms of immigration personnel, attorneys, USCIS systems' maintenance. Consider this: A credit card processing bank does more checks on an individual/card while processing an authorization. What if the whole immigration system has been automated (instead of today's almost fully paper-based immigration processing)? Even with automated systems in place (eg PIMS), there are massive delays. But the complete reform would hit a huge employment soft spot. How much would it take to hook up a terminal in an overseas consulate, thru which the consulate officer can check the petition validity then & there itself, accessing it from a Centralized database? Heck they should learn it from Yahoo or Google, to access systems from anywhere in the world.
2. How people who have green cards are contributing to the country as a whole ?
By contributing to income tax. A person with green card is more likely to get more opportunities than a person on H1. H1 holder is constantly nagged with endless paperwork, dependencies, expiration dates. A green card holder can switch to different companies or start his/her own business, thereby earning for himself & paying more on income tax & possible his/her business tax.
A permanent resident has already gone thru ton of checks/regulations eg: Criminal checks, medical tests. If the same tests were put thru for Americans, how many are really going to pass? Green card holders (or even H1 worker) stick to all rules, regulations, pay their bills without being a threat to American society.
On the other hand, green card holders/H1s need not sign up for defense service selection (above the age of 24). Lost American jobs is whole different ball game.
3. What if the whole green card process takes less than 3 years ?
If it takes less than 3yrs, it will certainly make lot of IVians & happy, including me. But we are not in Utopian world.
On the other hand, there will be huge influx of immigrant applications. Slowly immigration population would become large chunk in administrative areas, they may even reach Washington.
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ashutrip
06-21 01:16 PM
Link to post at IV (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=86268&postcount=5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
rajeev_74
04-25 02:44 PM
I just wanted to bring it to the table...I think all of us have the right to voice our opinion & looks like we all have in the case. Now it should be upto the IV to take it or leave it. They are the leaders in this initative & let them make the final call on if it needs to be part of our agenda or not. Thanks
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anilsal
03-06 08:43 AM
Me and my wife's 485s had LUDS on 2/18, 2/19 and 2/20. But no status change, and we know for sure we should be getting atleast one RFE. When we applied in July 07 we could not include my Wife's medical/vaccination reports with the application, but no RFE for that yet.
Usually an RFE or FP notice should arrive within 4-8 days after generation. There is no guarantee that the LUD change means anything until you see the notice in your hand.
Usually an RFE or FP notice should arrive within 4-8 days after generation. There is no guarantee that the LUD change means anything until you see the notice in your hand.
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pappu
06-10 01:02 PM
Just to summarize what's going to happen with VB in final Quarter.
Two words: Nothing Positive
CIS and DOS officials are meeting every week after July 07 fiasco. They have a better handle on the visa number utilization than they ever had in the past years. As a result they have max utilization of visa numbers and don't be surprised if DOS decides to move EB2 India and China a month or two back. Neither India EB2 nor China EB2 is going to move past Oct 2004 before Oct 08 bulletin.
That is true and IV core member Nixtor had given details about this visa movement more than a month ago in the all state chapter conference call. This call was strictly for state chapter members of all states. IV core has been meeting DOS and USCIS regularly to find solution to the problems our members have been facing.
Pls take part in the call campaign and contribute funds to be able to find relief.
Two words: Nothing Positive
CIS and DOS officials are meeting every week after July 07 fiasco. They have a better handle on the visa number utilization than they ever had in the past years. As a result they have max utilization of visa numbers and don't be surprised if DOS decides to move EB2 India and China a month or two back. Neither India EB2 nor China EB2 is going to move past Oct 2004 before Oct 08 bulletin.
That is true and IV core member Nixtor had given details about this visa movement more than a month ago in the all state chapter conference call. This call was strictly for state chapter members of all states. IV core has been meeting DOS and USCIS regularly to find solution to the problems our members have been facing.
Pls take part in the call campaign and contribute funds to be able to find relief.
ychousa
07-19 12:58 AM
The following post
dont worry, the above scenario would happen only if pd remaines current.This is highly unlikely. In the next few months PD would retrogress to for instance 2004 , then you'll get your GC first :) Cheer up buddy:)
And this post
So the work of reviewing files goes roughly in FIFO order (that is based on RD) all round the year whether the bulletin says C, U, A, B or JAN01STONEAGE!
say the opposite.
The process in the second post sounds unfair, but it seems it is true, escpecially if you check this page: https://egov.uscis.gov/cris/jsps/Processtimes.jsp?SeviceCenter=NSC
dont worry, the above scenario would happen only if pd remaines current.This is highly unlikely. In the next few months PD would retrogress to for instance 2004 , then you'll get your GC first :) Cheer up buddy:)
And this post
So the work of reviewing files goes roughly in FIFO order (that is based on RD) all round the year whether the bulletin says C, U, A, B or JAN01STONEAGE!
say the opposite.
The process in the second post sounds unfair, but it seems it is true, escpecially if you check this page: https://egov.uscis.gov/cris/jsps/Processtimes.jsp?SeviceCenter=NSC
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nogc_noproblem
04-30 02:48 PM
Please keep posting the updates...
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vpadman
01-07 03:45 PM
What are the scenarios under which emergency AP is applicable ?
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santb1975
06-03 09:33 PM
Let's keep moving forward
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inspectorfox
09-25 10:11 PM
No extension yet... DL expires on Friday. I will have to figure out how to go to work, take care of my family without driving the car.
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ArkBird
08-12 03:10 PM
Am I the only one here feeling like being used as toilet paper waiting to get flushed with other "stuff" ??
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CADude
07-26 04:47 PM
Read Section 6 of SOP [first para]. Please don't guess. As explained by many it's combination of RD and PD.
I think it will be based on the receipt date because if we look at the Service Center Processing Dates, they mention "Now Processing Cases with Receipt Notice Date of".
Any suggestions??
I think it will be based on the receipt date because if we look at the Service Center Processing Dates, they mention "Now Processing Cases with Receipt Notice Date of".
Any suggestions??
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immm
07-18 03:27 PM
I am confused about receipt date?
Is receipt date the date when they do data entry into the system or is it the date when they receive the package even though they may do data entry a month later?
My application was sent on June, 14th and delivered on June 15th (I have the FedEx tracking info and signature page confirming 6/15).
The case status online based on receipt number (obtained by calling them a few times until I got lucky) says:
"On July 11, 2007, we received this I485 APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS, and mailed you a notice describing how we will process your case."
Not sure if the online status is referring to the receipt date or the notice date when it says "On July 11, 2007, we received" when, in fact, they received it on June 15th!!
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Is receipt date the date when they do data entry into the system or is it the date when they receive the package even though they may do data entry a month later?
My application was sent on June, 14th and delivered on June 15th (I have the FedEx tracking info and signature page confirming 6/15).
The case status online based on receipt number (obtained by calling them a few times until I got lucky) says:
"On July 11, 2007, we received this I485 APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS, and mailed you a notice describing how we will process your case."
Not sure if the online status is referring to the receipt date or the notice date when it says "On July 11, 2007, we received" when, in fact, they received it on June 15th!!
.
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ngopikrishnan
10-22 10:26 AM
Can someone suggest a good attorney (based on your personal experience) for sending AC21 letters to the USCIS? If possible please post the cost involved as well. Preferably in CT/NY/NJ area, any other area is fine too. Thanks!
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p1234
09-13 06:46 PM
I want everybody to get their GCs. but now interfiling/porting is hurting out position in the queue.
If you are not aware, a good bunch of EB3s are now trying to interfile & port their PDs which are between 2001 - 2005 to EB2.
This will potentially put tens of thousands of people in the EB2 queue before most people in EB2 who are waiting.
These people were not eligible for EB2 when they filed their own labor.. so they should NOT BE ALLOWED TO PORT THEIR OLD PDs. Sure EB3 can Interfile .. but you will get a new PD ... the date you interfile.
If we just keep looking... there will be a huge retrogression in EB2. And its not like these EB3 people will get through with the interfiling/porting. Most of them will be issued RFEs. Their labor apps will be audited and their primary EB3 apps will be cancelled. Infact, 85% of interfiling will never successfully make it through. And its not like it will help the EB3 brothers. That queue will still be long... because they are not going to withdraw their EB3 apps.
Also, while they will not succeed in interfiling/porting, they still will have their apps with USCIS and USCIS will sit on them before eventually issuing NOID. Sad part is they will count these when giving numbers to DOS for setting visa bulletins.
This PD porting is the last "not so ethical & legal" thing after labor substitution.. that we need to Put a cork on.
If we don't act now... then we can all expect to stay in AOS for the next 5 years. This holds for both EB2 and EB3.
I want everybody to get their GCs. I also am OK with the wait.
But anything that threatens my position in the queue is not acceptable.
Are you July 07 filer who got the EAD out of turn? I bet you are.
And if you are, keep your loud mouth shut! Before you pontificate, look at people and others like you who got in and created a mess!
If you are not aware, a good bunch of EB3s are now trying to interfile & port their PDs which are between 2001 - 2005 to EB2.
This will potentially put tens of thousands of people in the EB2 queue before most people in EB2 who are waiting.
These people were not eligible for EB2 when they filed their own labor.. so they should NOT BE ALLOWED TO PORT THEIR OLD PDs. Sure EB3 can Interfile .. but you will get a new PD ... the date you interfile.
If we just keep looking... there will be a huge retrogression in EB2. And its not like these EB3 people will get through with the interfiling/porting. Most of them will be issued RFEs. Their labor apps will be audited and their primary EB3 apps will be cancelled. Infact, 85% of interfiling will never successfully make it through. And its not like it will help the EB3 brothers. That queue will still be long... because they are not going to withdraw their EB3 apps.
Also, while they will not succeed in interfiling/porting, they still will have their apps with USCIS and USCIS will sit on them before eventually issuing NOID. Sad part is they will count these when giving numbers to DOS for setting visa bulletins.
This PD porting is the last "not so ethical & legal" thing after labor substitution.. that we need to Put a cork on.
If we don't act now... then we can all expect to stay in AOS for the next 5 years. This holds for both EB2 and EB3.
I want everybody to get their GCs. I also am OK with the wait.
But anything that threatens my position in the queue is not acceptable.
Are you July 07 filer who got the EAD out of turn? I bet you are.
And if you are, keep your loud mouth shut! Before you pontificate, look at people and others like you who got in and created a mess!
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coopheal
12-16 03:22 PM
Maybe you want to start a thread and collect all those who are stuck in 2001 and earlier dates in EB3 I and 2003 and earlier for EB2I on IV.
Lets see how many we get. They should also update the IV tracker with their dates. We can then use that data to ask help clear the backlog and petition to advance dates in a systematic order. This will work if you can get many people who are stuck despite their dates being current for several months/years. What do you think?
I'snt tracker broken (Sorting by PD ) for some time now.
Lets see how many we get. They should also update the IV tracker with their dates. We can then use that data to ask help clear the backlog and petition to advance dates in a systematic order. This will work if you can get many people who are stuck despite their dates being current for several months/years. What do you think?
I'snt tracker broken (Sorting by PD ) for some time now.
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lonedesi
08-07 09:21 AM
Please leave a comment on this thread, after you have mailed the letter & Form. It will motivate others to do the same. If you really want some justice, stand up and get counted by participating in this campaign. Else, Julu-Aug 07 filers, will keep waiting and will have to go through frustrating and agonizing wait for an uncertain period.
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qualified_trash
05-31 01:51 PM
Fermat's Last Theorem will be proved before anyone can come up with an explanation for the functioning of the BECs.
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murali3000
08-25 08:44 PM
It is not a good idea to buy property in India now ( at high prices )
You can see a 30 to 40% decline in prices in coming months/ years.
Wait and buy.
As far as loan , go with SBI or LIC home loans - slow in processing , but you can save lot .
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You can see a 30 to 40% decline in prices in coming months/ years.
Wait and buy.
As far as loan , go with SBI or LIC home loans - slow in processing , but you can save lot .
No ICICI
valuablehurdle
06-21 11:32 AM
Checked with my lawyer. 20 cases pending since January. Atlanta..
My Labor was filed April 15th, 2007. EB2. 'In process'.
My Labor was filed April 15th, 2007. EB2. 'In process'.
raysaikat
01-07 01:04 AM
raysaikat, and others, can we call a truce and focus on the original intent of the thread? I am sure we can all agree that the top 5 % of the worst university (does not matter which, or where) are usually better than the bottom 5 % of the best university (again, does not matter).
In my life, in our company, I've seen some of the sharpest brains around (PhDs working for the Russian defence before they defected in late 70's and early 80's) and some of the dumbest (a mechanical engineer who refused to believe me when I mentioned the sun was approximately 300000 bigger than the earth in terms of mass and 1000000 times bigger in terms of volume). Believe it or not, I've met a taxi driver who graduated from an Ivy League institution and used to work at NASA in 60s and 70s and worked on developing algorithms for decompressing transmissions. There are all sorts who make the world a pretty interesting, if unpredictable place. :)
You never know whom you are sitting next to on the plane! ;)
Rather than arguing over silly matters, perhaps we should focus on intelligent analysis and if necessary, rebuttal of arguments.
We do not prove anything by arguing over IIT vs Osmania, or North Vs South, but merely conform the worst aspects of Prof. Wadhwa's sweeping generalizations.
I, for one, have serious questions:
A) The video was edited. It is a collection of sound bites. How do we know the context of the statements if we do not have the full transcript?
B) We have no visuals of the charts and figures referred to by Prof Wadhwa.
C) We have no access to the raw data used by Prof. Wadhwa. He may had published it, but I have not seen any of it. (Unless Macaca can ferret out the details.. if anyone can, he is the man!). I have, for instance, basic questions whether immigrants and foreign students were excluded when he (Wadhwa) was counting the openings filled and engineers graduated in US.
I do not mean to offend anyone, nor am I commenting on any country, university, or anything.. so please do not misunderstand me. Let us focus on the what is more important.
I browsed through Wadhwa's paper. My impression is that he has used ASEE data for the U.S. and very likely it includes international students. Can anyone send him an email and seek clarification?
I have access to ASEE database, but I cannot share the excel files. I can however post summary informations.
2006:
Total M.S. 38880
Foreign 15533
Total B.S. 74186
Foreign 5345
I can also report data by disciplines, among other things. But it is a bit tedious to do so.
In my life, in our company, I've seen some of the sharpest brains around (PhDs working for the Russian defence before they defected in late 70's and early 80's) and some of the dumbest (a mechanical engineer who refused to believe me when I mentioned the sun was approximately 300000 bigger than the earth in terms of mass and 1000000 times bigger in terms of volume). Believe it or not, I've met a taxi driver who graduated from an Ivy League institution and used to work at NASA in 60s and 70s and worked on developing algorithms for decompressing transmissions. There are all sorts who make the world a pretty interesting, if unpredictable place. :)
You never know whom you are sitting next to on the plane! ;)
Rather than arguing over silly matters, perhaps we should focus on intelligent analysis and if necessary, rebuttal of arguments.
We do not prove anything by arguing over IIT vs Osmania, or North Vs South, but merely conform the worst aspects of Prof. Wadhwa's sweeping generalizations.
I, for one, have serious questions:
A) The video was edited. It is a collection of sound bites. How do we know the context of the statements if we do not have the full transcript?
B) We have no visuals of the charts and figures referred to by Prof Wadhwa.
C) We have no access to the raw data used by Prof. Wadhwa. He may had published it, but I have not seen any of it. (Unless Macaca can ferret out the details.. if anyone can, he is the man!). I have, for instance, basic questions whether immigrants and foreign students were excluded when he (Wadhwa) was counting the openings filled and engineers graduated in US.
I do not mean to offend anyone, nor am I commenting on any country, university, or anything.. so please do not misunderstand me. Let us focus on the what is more important.
I browsed through Wadhwa's paper. My impression is that he has used ASEE data for the U.S. and very likely it includes international students. Can anyone send him an email and seek clarification?
I have access to ASEE database, but I cannot share the excel files. I can however post summary informations.
2006:
Total M.S. 38880
Foreign 15533
Total B.S. 74186
Foreign 5345
I can also report data by disciplines, among other things. But it is a bit tedious to do so.
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